Saturday, April 21, 2012

New to the game and need a hand..

Hi all,

Well I decided to pull our my old copy of Warcraft 3 (RoC). I had only played it client side but thought this time I would try my hand at competing against players.

I began by just playing random people but have encountered some things that I wish to ask....

What is "Creep"? Twice I have been told "Use the Creep" and have absolutly no idea what's going on. :)

I usually play humans, but when I face Undead before I can hardly get anything built before the other players comes at me with a hero and some spiders. These spiders then proceed to massacre my small (usually no more than 5/6 footmen) force, meaning I lose.

Is it better to build lots of smaller units (aka weaker) quickly or to spend more time building a bigger and stronger force. My first game I was too slow and was beaten. My second game was the opposite, bought too many footmen etc and lost.

Is it worth leveling a hero before launching an attack?



Well that is all for now, thank you for your time :)

Full.|||In RoC creeping gives you a substantial boost to your gold income. By fast creeping you level up your hero and gain money to tech faster/get more units.

It sounds to me more or less that you need to practice microing and to get build orders down. Unfortunately...i dont know any build orders for RoC...sorry, but i'm hopeful somebody else will have one to give you.|||Humans are kinda weak in RoC I think... oh and don't worry about these spiders, everyone has problems with them because they are cheap, build quickly, have great damage and hit points.


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Is it better to build lots of smaller units (aka weaker) quickly or to spend more time building a bigger and stronger force. My first game I was too slow and was beaten. My second game was the opposite, bought too many footmen etc and lost.

Is it worth leveling a hero before launching an attack?




The standard way (I understand you are playing solo) is to make few weak units (footmen and riflemen) to aid hero in creeping. Then proceed to better units. Don't make too many weak units because enemy will out-tech you and win. If you go for best unit at beginning he will come fast and destroy you, because you won't have any army.

In RoC your hero always should be creeping or attacking enemy. Never sit without doing everything. In fight of equal armies, one level more makes big difference.|||hi mate, if u want, we can do some practise 1on1's

i also play RoC only (not FT), just mail me (fzthomas@hotmail.com)|||Here are some random tips that I can give you to maybe help you win -

1) Try to never have an "idle" peasant. You know, the kind that just sits there and doesn't mine or get lumber. The max number of peasants you can have on a mine is 5, so with the others, get lumber! If you need to build a building, get one of the peasants getting lumber to make the building, and then send him back to the lumber when he's done.

2) This tip is an obvious one, but here goes - Depending on your strategy, your build order will be different. For right now, I'll assume that you are getting a Hero to Footmen to Riflemen. So, you should QUICKLY make an Altar then a Farm and a Barracks. As soon as the Altar is up, immediately start making your Hero. Make more farms as you need to, then when the Barracks is up, immediately make some Footmen. You'll be able to tell when you need more Farms, so make some in advance so you don't have to stop making units. When you get enough gold/lumber, make a Blacksmith and start producing Riflemen. Upgrade your Town Hall fairly quickly.

3) It's good to have a lot of units.

4) Creeping is killing the "creeps" on the map, which are the neutral monsters located on the colored spots on the minimap. Green spots are the easy creeps, orange spots are the harder creeps, red spots are the hardest creeps. As soon as you have a hero and one or two units, go to a green spot and kill the monsters. Your hero should be halfway leveled up. After you kill the creeps, go to another green spot and kill more creeps. Your hero should be level 2, or almost level 2. Now, go to an orange creep spot and slowly work your way up the "creep ladder." While creeping, don't forget about your base. Also, you should NEVER lose your hero to creeps, that's bad.

5) Micromanagement is the ability to keep your units alive. Use micro by moving the units with low health away from the battle so the enemy will have to retarget a unit with higher health. While attacking the enemy, try not to focus on the Hero too much. Focus fire on the normal units. If they run their units away, retarget.

6) Crypt Fiends have Piercing attack, so give your Footmen the Defend ability. I think they have Piercing, if they don't ignore this.

Hope I helped some!|||dancing crypt fiend >> foot + defend|||Lolz, if thats true, RoC is just imba as ****. But tFT is better anyway, so I s'pose it doesn't matter.|||mass fiends >> all in RoC

thats the ****ed up thing and the reason that most ladder players choose ud|||In FT, just mass foots with defend against fiends. chances are the fiends will kill themselves just by attacking the footies b/c of the wtfimbapwnageness stats of defend -_- (lol not really hehe ;o)|||a single footy with defend >>> a single wyvern|||Creeping: The killing of the non-player controlled units on the map for gold items and experience. As a Human player on RoC you can have only three different heroes. The Arch-mage is the most popular for several reasons not the least of which is he can �out-creep� most other heroes. Just use Summon Water Elemental, send the WE in to attack the creep first and follow with the AM. Easy enough, and it keeps AM from getting beat up early in the game. Only use that on the green camps. When people talk about green camps they mean the color they are on the mini-map if you are not getting any colored dots on your mini-map try clicking the icon next to it that has a little tent on it and a magnifying glass will come over the tent. Then all the creep �camps� will be shown on the mini-map. The other heroes will be a little slower at creeping, but have other benefits also. With the melee heroes, do this; whichever hero you choose when you fight creep camp LOOK at the mini pictures of all the footmen in the bottom middle window (when they are all selected). NOTICE which of them is taking the most damage and move him back just a few steps if they are melee creep or a few more if they are ranged creep (remember to use Defend.) After he is no longer taking damage you can then move him back in to help kill. This tactic is referred to as �dancing.�

Spider problems: The Crypt Fiends are the grey spiders the undead make. They are ranged so they can focus fire (FF). Focus fire (FF) is having the ranged units all attack one single unit. This is important because if it kills that unit, it removes that unit�s damage from the battle, and gives hero exp. Understand that having all your damage focused on one unit rather than spread out against several will give much better results. Creep dancing is much easier than dancing against a human opponent. The human opponent will not fall for dancing so easy. If the enemy is using Crypt Fiends (spiders) then everyone ASSUMES you have researched Defend and are using it, right? Even with defend it can be tough to beat spiders. **This is Critical! ** Press and hold the Alt key when the battle begins. This will give you an overhead health bar indicator. If one of the spiders� health is down, we have our first target� Now make sure you watch which of your footmen the enemy is focusing on. If he is a new player he will be hitting a few different footies, but if he is sharp he will start hitting your lowest life footie. Try this: Double click the footman that is targeted and move him back, Sometimes this will draw the Crypt Fiends closer to you so your footmen can start hitting them quicker, or sometimes the enemy will break target, both are good. Now make sure you do not chase one Crypt Fiend all over creation trying to take that one out while the enemy is continuing to damage you, that�s a rookie mistake. Use the Holy Light skill to cut down running Crypt Fiends, or use the Mountain King�s stunning hammer to get the kill.

This was an intro to Micro-Generaling your army. If the other player is better than you, he�s gunna whip you. That�s life. But as long as you general your people correctly. These tips will help you beat the guy who plays Undead and gets spiders because he heard it was good. I hope I help you more than confused you. LOL!

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