How to bash Orx with Fundead

An article I wrote before going inactive, on the UD vs OC matchup, together with a ****load of noobish comments and a replay or two in some later posts (one by HenL, who's a rly great player, and I think two of mine, one of which was vs Cho_Gal if I recall correctly). Anyways. There you go

http://www.wcreplays.com/forums/showthread.php?t=66585|||if it were possible...id hug you.

damn...i thought i said that one to myself

=)|||thx you eyepawd|||wtp nowz orx r nawt teh imbar anymorz. T.t'ed|||Having started as an UD only player last month (just got high speed), that strat is basically what got me off the ground and running from that first lvl 1 slump. I usually just used the curse on the banshee's though. Plus, I often play ffa, in which you need to have an abom or two to have a meat shield. BUT, once you actually posses a knight, they run. Besides, against human, they will expect a skely army when they see your base.|||I just played this strat and beat a lvl23 player (Azeroth)

I'd post the replay, but it says the file exceeds the max size (36kb?)

Oh well, lets just say i creamed him!|||I wouldn't say bash Orcs with Undead. Personally I think the banshee either overrated or underrated. I use them vs Orcs a lot though. Never really had much trouble with orcs as UD.|||i think orc wins this match up.|||I'm only a lvl 10 player, and i'm creaming much higher levels with this strat. Especially now i'll throw in an abom with disease, which is much more effective with the curse.|||Quote:




i think orc wins this match up.




That's coz you fail. Btw, it was with undead that I beat your orc using only heroes. Stpu as always.


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I'm only a lvl 10 player, and i'm creaming much higher levels with this strat. Especially now i'll throw in an abom with disease, which is much more effective with the curse.




Don't bother with aboms, by the time you have them you can get dessies instead and they're like ten times better.|||by dessies, i assume you mean destroyers?

I guess, but I need a good meat up front to hold onto the grunts, so 2 aboms work wonders, and the disease eats them away with the curse on them.

I also tried with the gargs and fiends, but it's a little harder to focus fire, so i'll stick with fiends.|||believe it or not, frost armored fiends are pretty good tanks :P

You dont really need tanks for UD, the nature of UD fighting (assuming you've gone DK/Fiends) is to hit and run and coil and nova friendly/enemy units properly. You just keep doing this. If he has raiders, its much harder, but thats where frost armor comes in then :D|||Quote:








believe it or not, frost armored fiends are pretty good tanks :P

You dont really need tanks for UD, the nature of UD fighting (assuming you've gone DK/Fiends) is to hit and run and coil and nova friendly/enemy units properly. You just keep doing this. If he has raiders, its much harder, but thats where frost armor comes in then :D




yeah, well maybe i'm just not as good a player as you, but i like to have some meat up there, especially when teaming with an NE on AT. I've started using a few extra ghouls instead though, they work great. Especially when you rush with vampiric aura and a necro scroll, but then it's nice to have three hero's instead of going for the lich only.

Also, has anyone tried this with gargs instead of fiends? the only problem I forsee is that with nothing on the ground, they will wipe out your hero's ASAP then run. Assuming you caught them off guard, that is.|||gargs lol.



Liich is likely the 2nd hero (i guess), wit dl or dk as 1st.|||hey, sometimes surprise is the best key.

I've found that orc's especially will go for grunts and raiders. Even if they were to net a few right off the bat, i can focus the hero with hardly anything in return.

All grunts will definatly get owned by this, but that's not very likely.

I like to use a garg or two to sneak around back, similar to a batrider for orcs and tease the other players. hey, anything to make them tp at the beginning of the game.||| This is a great strategy guide. Thank you for taking the time to type all of that out!|||actually this place sucks|||The leaving of a certain member will make it a lot better -_-|||sure would. plz leave sniper, u noob.|||pwnt .|||I'm finding that getting this to work correctly and quickly is usually not very easily done. First of all, especially in smaller maps it's a lot easier to go in with a 4 ghoul/1 necro rod rush and then back out. Hopefully you've done your damage and you will have given yourself enough time to tech up to your fiends etc. If it's a larger map, you will have to play defense, which almost never works anymore it seems. You have to attack first, or they will do the damage to you, and you'll have to rebuild.

Also, for 2v2 games, i find that if you have banshee's with curse, they're not nearly as efficient as faerie fire.|||you won't use ghouls in any mooment of this strategy -_-



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