How to kill Night Elf (Sentinel)

[:1]Hey Guys,

Need some help defeating Night Elf with ORCS, especially how the hell do you stop the Sentinel???

ANy build orders that are affective against NE?

Cheers.|||I am not very good in orcs, but all I know is that orcs generally have a very weak air defense (Almost no air units at all except wind riders). Mass wind riders, and make sure they are fully upgraded. The worst happening when ya orc is that night elfs mass hypogyrygh riders (sure gg if ya dun have much air attacking units), thus my advice is mass wind riders.|||DONT go mass windriders. NE have the easiest and quickest AA in the game and if they attack you while your teching you will probably lose. you have to scout them. if you see archers go grunts with farseer. if you see hunts go mix of grunts and HH. If you see no ancient of wind then go head and go Windriders if you are able to tech late game. If you see bears or Chims THEN go wind riders. I dont know about dryads i guess grunts. Keep harassing them and dont let them expand cause NE likes to quick expo. casters are always nice but dont mass them. IF you see hipp riders which is kind of unlikely you can get a few batriders with unstable concoction or just go head hunters and upgrade them. hipp riders are actually pretty crappy units in general. as second hero, blade master if they keep going archer dryad, tauren chieftan if they go hunts or bears.|||anyone with any answer to this?

how the hell do you stop the Sentinel???|||Nice tactic, the pro who answered previously previously, i learnt a tactic too. btw, if they mass hyprogrypgh riders, batriders can juz go boom against them and they will be destroyed fast (hypos are weaklings).|||I am a NE player. the NE vs Orc, Not the air force ,for NE would never use the air units to fight with ORC. BM abuse and other units should do some creeps at the same time. Do not let the NE have perfect force is necessary. If NE have the best force and goes to find you. U seems difficult to defend.

I suppose U can watch some replays about Grubby or Zecard. Their method about have the game with NE is dramatically singnificant.

And, improve your APM and learn to do some micro operate is good for your playing.

( My English is not good. hope it could help U. best wishes)|||Actually, I just thought of a really dumb tactic that might work. As you know, NE Wisps do not have an attack at all, so why not try builder rush them? LOL. Maybe you send all your peons to the NE's base, at the same time, make additional peons and GOGOGO!!! LOL =] Try.

And anyone pls tell me the chances of winning with this tactic. =]|||OH ya, i just remembered NE tree of life can attack. so just:

1) Send all ur starting peons to the NE base (hopefully its a map with 2 starting spots)

2) keeping making peons (dont put the rally point as the enemy base, as the peons might run into some creep camps and then gg). make until u got no more $$$ left, then send all 'cept one peon to the enemy base, and the one remaining peon stay home to mine gold.

3) kill the altar first, as the hero is the most dangerous one.

4) kill the ancient (kill any archers that pop out)

5) kill the wisps harvesting wood

6) destroy the gold mine

Note: if any wisps are created by the tree of life, kill 'em bef they get outta ur sight.

7) at ur base, create a few more peons and send them.

8) kill the wisps when the goldmine is killed.

9) kill tree of life (and wisps that are created)

Note: im not sure whether this will work, if not:

Do burrow rush: Burrow rush will ONLY work on NE, as NE has the only workers that cannot attack at all

GL!!! (NOT GG)|||won't work because 1 Tree of life can kill 5 peons and you have to be able to scout his base and it takes a while to walk there. You won't have any peons on gold mine so you will get gold slowly. hero will be out by the time peons reach NE base. Peons have EXTREMELY weak attack.|||Grunt rush with speed scroll.

If they are anything after a good 2-3 grunt rush with ANY hero, then they're just better than you. You can pop out those grunts pretty quick, and can take out those 1st tier archers quite fast if you can focus. Only problem with all of that is those stinking wells.