Monday, April 16, 2012

Useless Units

Units rarely used with specific functions

a)Hippos riders - any functions ?

theory -> harass NEs, taking the positon of gargs, but with a better ground attack, better hp and costing 2+ food. Also, if you are going chims then you can use separetely.

counters: uh, they can use hippos riders too



From there ill make just a list. comment plz



b)Faerie Dragon = ? Anticasters but, it worth anything?

c)glaive thrower = siege/t1



d)Headhunters/Berserkers = uncommon, wit the raiders and all. Nice dmg.



e)Frost Wyrm - plz blizzard buff this guy

f)Necros - they had a good time in RoC without dispell. They are dispelled that easy now, unless if we have a non-Destro/priest/sw/dryad Strat.

g)Banshees - Same. focus/AoE > possesion (if the battle have heat enough maybe you can even use it), dispellable curse and only 'AMS' is nice.

If you think there are others units the are not used continue this...Also add information prz|||Necrowagon works pretty well against Orc, if I recall correctly, since so few Orcs use Spiritwalkers, and Unholy Frenzy makes Abominations/Fiends quite evil.

I'm a big fan of glaive throwers myself, since they have such a long range and are available so early. I think it was Ferrous (or possibly some other guy) who had a tinker/faerie dragon strategy that he used.|||Quote:










e)Frost Wyrm - plz blizzard buff this guy

f)Necros - they had a good time in RoC without dispell. They are dispelled that easy now, unless if we have a non-Destro/priest/sw/dryad Strat.




Those 2 are viable. When im using ud and the game stretches itself long, frosties are a great finisher, though i do see your point because i rarely ever plan to use them. Necros are still decent. Ive had trouble dealing with massive summons even with elf and human: dryads cant support the dispel with their short mana; priests got aoe dispel, but sumtimes u need to micro heavily to get the job done.

my opinion of whats useless (now hear me out b4 ppl get mad):

gyros: serve one use...killing dests. if anyone has another practical use forgive me.|||I usually get 1 frost wyrm against orc if cost/time allows it. But other than that no. But c'mon, it costs 7 food and and as much as a hero i think. I think 1 is plently enough....

Banshees are starting to be used more, also at pro level. I see them used all the time for some reason at my lvl. AMS > chainwave and possession > orc, bear/dyrad :(|||Quote:








my opinion of whats useless (now hear me out b4 ppl get mad):

gyros: serve one use...killing dests. if anyone has another practical use forgive me.




Well, they are cheap as hell and can be trained fast. If you have a workshop, which you have pretty often as a human, you can train one or two as a scout. With their fast flying movement and true sight, scouting is a field the gyros really excell at.|||In the worst case, elf still have wisps, 60 gold for lotas of xp. and can also take the mana away if detaonated in the right time/space (kinda hard though)

Gyros are a permanent dust of appearance (tho not rly used) wut makes Bm/Nelf harasses or with any hero who bought potion of invisibility useless. But they die really fast.

Dispells still pwns necros in many ways.|||Quote:




Units rarely used with specific functions

a)Hippos riders - any functions ?

theory -> harass NEs, taking the positon of gargs, but with a better ground attack, better hp and costing 2+ food. Also, if you are going chims then you can use separetely.

counters: uh, they can use hippos riders too




They're more of a FFA unit. But overall they're still too costly.


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b)Faerie Dragon = ? Anticasters but, it worth anything?




They're good vs HU. At least, I use them.


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c)glaive thrower = siege/t1




Only good for huntilista.


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d)Headhunters/Berserkers = uncommon, wit the raiders and all. Nice dmg.




They are viable in FFA's, with a bunch of casters of couse...


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e)Frost Wyrm - plz blizzard buff this guy




Personally I think this unit is fine... Wyrms can dominate FFA's in the right combinations.


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f)Necros - they had a good time in RoC without dispell. They are dispelled that easy now, unless if we have a non-Destro/priest/sw/dryad Strat.




They're pretty good vs Elf... At least, I can't beat necrowagon as Elf.


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g)Banshees - Same. focus/AoE > possesion (if the battle have heat enough maybe you can even use it), dispellable curse and only 'AMS' is nice.




I use bansheees against Orcs and it works fine.

If you think there are others units the are not used continue this...Also add information prz|||Gah... accidental double post.|||Quote:








Dispells still pwns necros in many ways.




In theory, yes. In teh game, a lot less than you'd think. Same for shees.|||Quote:








In theory, yes. In teh game, a lot less than you'd think. Same for shees.




you speak truth. as i have learned so so many times. imho necro > than most dispel abilities. Only time dispelling is easy is with destros, and on occasion priests and walkers.|||Really? Going to use them often now...|||OHHHHHH OHHHHHHH me me me i know one. tauren, who in gods name uses tauren. and whats even worst is bloodlusted tauren, how noob is tauren anyways who would want tauren when u could mass footman or something. even better yet...peons.|||In my opinion, every unit in the game is useful...if only the situation is the right one. Since these days people mainly seem to stick to a few cookie cutter strats, others have to focus on their counters, leaving no time/resources to even try out those "useless" units.

And ofc there are exceptios to every rule.|||Quote:








Units rarely used with specific functions

e)Frost Wyrm - plz blizzard buff this guy




Their incredible powerfull the way they are, consider this.

Frost wyrms are flying units with a health of 1300 and damage of between 90 and 130 these are the best harassers in the game. ONLY FOR AT GAMES.

Run five or so of them into someones base when his army is not around and kill all his peons or farms or burrows or moon wells, takes about 3 seconds to kill two housing units.

Heros die almost immediately with the slow effect and lich nova and dk coil, dk coil can heal wounded frosties easily since they last long, they can stun towers.

Easilly one of the most usefull units in the game.|||only problem is they arent magic immune, can't chain morph and aren't called destroyers...

edit: if you have an expo, a frostwyrm can be helpful mind you, for the slow effect and to tank a bit. but getting more than one is a cmplete waste of ressources normally.|||For solo games yes but in team games its standerd to build them.|||I tried the gyrocopters... cheap, fast, and easy to kill.

I teched straight up and made them with the missles and tried to attack the base while they were out. I did very little damage even with about 25 of them, and was immediatly disassembled by gryphons and riflemen. And then i lost my town....

Next, i tried to fly in with the gyrocopters and attack an NE gold mine, to be slayed by archers. So then i masses Mortar teams, but then faced knights coming in from the other side. Lost|||mass anything and you'll lose -.- (exception maybe for dryads)

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