Monday, April 16, 2012

And so... (Bannings List) Updated 12/19/'05

Acting upon a statement made earlier by Cho_Gal, this thread will be updated everytime someone from the Strategy Forums is banned, with the reason why.



Current Bans:



Flak sez: I banned Pantherden for repeat offense against site rules and incorrect usage of the site demonstrating his inability to interact with others on an internet forum. He won't be unbanned, and his ban will never expire. He will be banned on sight if he returns. Those following in his footsteps will ... well, follow in his footsteps. More details: http://war3.incgamers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=35551

Flak also sez: FFL has been banned, and he's had it long coming. Twisted Orc has a temp ban for a history of disrespectful and inflammatory posting, if he respects that he should be back in three days. He's already disrespected it once; so it's not looking good for him.

Banned mokechoke 'cause he asked so nicely.








Happy? Now you can all see why I'm banning people, and hopefully not make the same mistakes.

- Thanks to Cho_Gal for unknowingly sparking this idea.

PS: I'm leaving this thread open for one reason only - If you feel that a ban was undeserved, or I've made a mistake (As all humans surely must) and/or missed other people involved, post here with a mature arguement and I'll reconsider the bans.

- Spam in this thread will not be tolerated - You get a warning, and then a ban.

- Cleaned posts, moved thread.|||why was rokot banned?|||No idea, but Banlisting says

Username Banned by Banned On Length of Ban

RokOtWitJoCokOt Rushster 10-11-05 Permanent

So em...Good question.|||He didnt created another account and them left the forums by himself?|||I think we should propose bans to clean up the moron trash on these forums.

NightRanger

MadWombat

Two idiots so far. gogo!|||Yeah I made a new account just to ask why I was banned. Now I just come sometimes.

And I second FFL's proposal.

I think the reason I was banned was because I never posted replays. Which is only because I sucked when I played and then for a few weeks didn't even play wc3.|||uh maybe coz of your name? ~.~ w/e he should be unbanned imo.|||Unfortunately, I cannot override a perma-ban.|||Cant you talk with rush?|||unbannage would be thx|||well i dont really know where to put it as i didnt want to start a new thread, so its ending up here.

i have several things to say ;o



imho:

firstly, this is a warcraft forum, meaning that the offtopic forum is actually not meant to be the "main" forum. so the dear kind otf posters might stop looking down on the people in the strats forums kthx (btw, i read the otf & sometimes post there, and its not like its any better there). The only real difference is "our"... say... more hostile?... attitude towards newcomers. But that in turn is more their fault than ours, because most of them ARE stupid. Its not like I would mind them being noob (which they are) and its not like we never tell them anything useful, but when there are PLENTY of cases when they start a new topic for something that has just been answered in another thread or stuff like that (examples in the best quotes thread -.-) you almost have to be thankful if they get lost. ~.~

[this btw also counts for abreviations. if someone has played war3 a while he knows them and if someone doesnt, what the hell is the sticky about it there for? its a war3 forum, so people should know them; christ]

please consider for a moment what would happen if you banned all the "intelligent posters", as you call them. the strats forums would be D.E.A.D.. They are not exactly alive now, but if someone asks a sensible question he usually gets it answered.

you are also a bit too harsh with lockings and bannings atm in my opinion. The people who post in the strats forums want to have some offtopic chitchat as well, but they obviously cant go into the otf because usually the first reaction is similiar to "Go away. We don't want you gamers' replays spammers in this forum." (ok, that was ffls disputable topic but still, it certainly wasnt the first time, stuff like "i wouldnt touch the strats forums with a tenfoot pole" comes to mind.) Anyway, the obvious solution is having a few threads for ot stuff. you closed a damn lot of those (ignoring loads of really stupid threads all the same), and by locking them at once, you make people open a new one to say what they want to say about it, see pds reaction in the fff (opening a new thread, not what he then wrote~~). Maybe stickying an OT thread in the replay forum / general strats forum would more or less solve this..?

We write in this forum for fun in our free time and obviously, we will leave if it isnt fun (you neednt say "glad to be rid of you then" now -.-). I have NEVER EVER (and im sure this applies to most, if not all, the other regular posters) thought of leaving because of ffls, twisteds or pds spamming. The only time i ever thought of leaving was when mtlhead kept closing threads and you had to reread every post before posting out of fear of getting banned (this was stated by some others too at that time). And its getting pretty damn near to that point again now.

to articulate it again, its not like i agree with everything that is posted, i just think youre overreacting.



Im pretty sure ive forgotten half of what i wanted to say, but so be it. -_-

Probably i now "piss you of like pantherden". If you ban me for this, things have again gone so far that i wouldnt be interested in carrying on posting anyway. If you dont, maybe youve taken some of it to heart and things will improve again.

btw, ffl and twisted are missing from that list it seems.





<3 tew yew all, IP

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well i dont really know where to put it as i didnt want to start a new thread, so its ending up here.




Good judgement.


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firstly, this is a warcraft forum, meaning that the offtopic forum is actually not meant to be the "main" forum.




That's correct, the Community Forum is the central forum.


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so the dear kind otf posters might stop looking down on the people in the strats forums kthx




If you're referring to the recent incident in the FFF, those were FFF and RPGF regulars getting on PD and FFL's cases.


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(btw, i read the otf & sometimes post there, and its not like its any better there).




I'm assuming you read my post in PD's thread. You should understand then that I treated you guys equally until yesterday, when PD crossed the line.


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The only real difference is "our"... say... more hostile?... attitude towards newcomers.




You know, you could try doing what I do. For noobs asking "stupid" questions, just post a link to a thread or site that answers it. It doesn't take much time, it's nice, and you're not going to save time or energy by flaming them.


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But that in turn is more their fault than ours, because most of them ARE stupid.




That's certainly not reflected in post habits.


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they start a new topic for something that has just been answered in another thread or stuff like that (examples in the best quotes thread -.-) you almost have to be thankful if they get lost. ~.~




Um, you should point them towards the previous thread and notify a super moderator, so that the mod can close the new, unneeded thread. There's no reason to chase someone off because they are not used to forum systems. They are not stupid just because they're new.


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[this btw also counts for abreviations. if someone has played war3 a while he knows them and if someone doesnt, what the hell is the sticky about it there for? its a war3 forum, so people should know them; christ]




Many people don't play online, but still play LAN with friends and might visit strategy sites. It's entirely feasible. War3 channel memes are in general rather idiotic, and few people who aren't IRC junkies and haven't played on battle.net will be able to understand many of them.


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please consider for a moment what would happen if you banned all the "intelligent posters", as you call them. the strats forums would be D.E.A.D.




I wouldn't ban all of you. I banned the two most offensive, and then gave a short time out to one other who was getting there. Now, consider this: every single member of this site becomes active. However, every single member of this site is an unacceptable troll and flamer. If every single user were the kind of person who doesn't belong on this site, it would probably be better for Rush to shut the site down and save his money, right?

I'm not saying we've gotten this far, but if (and I say if) any section of this site gets to the point where no one can post a good post and everyone flames everyone else viciously, I WILL ban everyone who posts in the section and ask Rush to delete that section.


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They are not exactly alive now, but if someone asks a sensible question he usually gets it answered.




That's more alive than the FFF, and I've never considered it dead.


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you are also a bit too harsh with lockings and bannings atm in my opinion.




I banned... three people in the last months. Lockings: I did one thread in GS, one in GR, a bunch in the MMF where questions were answered in the FAQs, one in the OTF where a question was answered in the Usage, one in the Community Forum, where someone wanted to do something illegal with War3, and then the FFL+PD thing in the FFF. I consider the rather conflict-lacking closing of threads answered in the FAQ as insignificant. I do it almost every other day, because it's necessary. I always leave a nice little quote and link to what the person wanted.

Now, if you want to say that closing two flame threads and then the two threads in FFF was a mistake, feel free to contact me privately and argue in favor of me leaving PD's thread the way it was.


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Anyway, the obvious solution is having a few threads for ot stuff.




The obvious solution is to impose yourselves on the OTF in as non-inflammatory a manner as possible, and keep smiling at them as they are displeased with you. After a short period of time, you'll be accepted, and everything'll be good. And that's correct usage.


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you closed a damn lot of those




...two. With flaming.


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you make people open a new one to say what they want to say about it




Note that that reaction is that of an immature person who can't present a clear argument in the correct environment. The FFF has its "Central Thread" where he could have addressed the problem. We've already concluded that PD doesn't belong on this site; his actions are not examples people should follow.


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Maybe stickying an OT thread in the replay forum / general strats forum would more or less solve this..?




Whadda good idea! Shortly after this posting, expect Central Threads in both.


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you neednt say "glad to be rid of you then" now




I wouldn't, I don't have anything against anyone here.


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I have NEVER EVER (and im sure this applies to most, if not all, the other regular posters) thought of leaving because of ffls, twisteds or pds spamming.




The thing with people who become attached to something is that rather than leave it they'd fight for it. For example, I'm sure Alar Stormbringer was very displeased with PD's post (see his reaction) but he stood up against PD instead of just going away. It's the same for a lot of people. It actually sparks more conflict than otherwise, and is thus troublesome. I'm not going to tell you why you stick around, because that would be arrogant, but I will let you know that lots of the people who haven't left feel that way and there actually have been a lot of people who left due to the state of the site, or whose activity has dropped since last year.


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The only time i ever thought of leaving was when mtlhead kept closing threads




HOLY CRAP ORDER!


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to articulate it again, its not like i agree with everything that is posted, i just think youre overreacting.




To be entirely fair, you should realize my position. Going again with the assumption that you read PD's thread, you'll know what Alar said about me. It's true. I don't like banning or closing threads. Until yesterday, when PD stepped over the line, I had put up with your spam and flames in hopes of reducing conflict, and I even joined in the fun at times. Yet if it comes to this point where people are lashing out, those people will understand what it means to be lashed back.


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Im pretty sure ive forgotten half of what i wanted to say, but so be it. -_-




Would that have fit in the 10,000 word post limit?


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Probably i now "piss you of like pantherden".




Not at all, I respect you more than anyone else in the "intelligent posters" because you actually presented a solid argument with better english than most posts I see these days and you said some good things. I'll put up those OT threads soon, and in the future I expect to not see spam/flames outside of them. I hope you can at least be agreeable to that ;)


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If you ban me for this, things have again gone so far that i wouldnt be interested in carrying on posting anyway.




Um... why would I ban you for saying some intelligent (albeit incorrect in some points) things? Silly guy.


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If you dont, maybe youve taken some of it to heart and things will improve again.




Wrong, I took little of what you said to heart. But you did nothing banworthy in your post, and even if you would have I would not ban you right away without trying to do something about it first.


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btw, ffl and twisted are missing from that list it seems.




Added. My bro graduated yesterday, and I was sort of caught up in celebration later on. Cheers!|||Just wondering, where am I on the mods scale? The scale being: Needs to be banned to on the verge of a ban to a good, respectable poster. ty :)

IMO Flak is doing the right thing. real respect to you, because you stand up even for the newcomers who post 'annoying' threads.

I think this forum has gone to the sewer when no mods were here, but slowly flak has started to build it back up. Of course some might disagree b/c ppl have been banned and they might say that this forum has been 'scratched' or 'wounded' too hard. right now it looks quite unpleasant, but when the forum has 'healed' again --> old timers start become active again and newcomers adapt fast, i think this forum may even have a chance to become as good as the wcreplays forum. :D

i will have to admit that sometimes flamewars between FFL and other ppl (i call them victims -_-) was entertaining to watch, but its better like this. i just hope more newcomers come that aren't new to the game and become respectable posters who know what they are talking about. =o

btw, who's the most powerful mod out of all of you? is it rush? does he have powers that you guys (flak, dp) dont have? ty again :)|||Quote:








Just wondering, where am I on the mods scale? The scale being: Needs to be banned to on the verge of a ban to a good, respectable poster. ty :)




You post idiotically sometimes, but your posts always have a different feel and I've never sensed any ill will coming from them. You seem like a jovial guy, and you're fun to have around. You spam sometimes but you don't break rules or try to aggravate the staff. Kudos for that.


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IMO Flak is doing the right thing. real respect to you, because you stand up even for the newcomers who post 'annoying' threads.




If I were doing it for the respect I would be gloating right about now.


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I think this forum has gone to the sewer when no mods were here, but slowly flak has started to build it back up.




That's a nice opinion. I know for a fact that back when mtlhead started taking action in this section, it was rather... unpleasant business. I'm glad that DP was made mod here and not me, because back then I would have had my fuse blown in two posts and gone postal on all of you ^_^;; As it is, Rush's super-modding me came at just the right time, most likely. If I can do anything to help this site I will.


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but when the forum has 'healed' again --> [...] newcomers adapt fast, i think this forum may even have a chance to become as good as the wcreplays forum. :D




See, that's the thing. We can't estrange new people because new people coming, subscribing, etc. etc. are what keeps the site alive. We need fresh blood and ideas. Just because someone's first or second post is somewhat unlearned does not mean they are a bad person or will make a bad poster. Example: Flak.

When he first came to the RPGF, he bugged the **** out of everyone because he was stupid and didn't know anything about the site. But thanks to the members there not being flamers and trolls, he adapted rapidly and now all his posts in that section are either valuable or fun! And he talks in the third person from time to time now, it would seem.


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i will have to admit that sometimes flamewars between FFL and other ppl (i call them victims -_-) was entertaining to watch




Oh yes. Thankfully there are sites out there for the sake of having flame wars, and I think we can agree that that's not the purpose of this site :)


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btw, who's the most powerful mod out of all of you? is it rush? does he have powers that you guys (flak, dp) dont have? ty again :)




The member account "Rush" that is a mod has mod powers in all forums just like DP, mtlhead, and I do, but he is not a supermod (unless I'm mistaken) and thus has less power. Of course, Rush is also Rushster, the admin, who has way more power than us (IP banning, forum editing, etc.) So Rush is the most powerful.|||well by adapt I mean getting to know everyone here and getting used to the atmosphere, setting, etc. of course everyone can and hopefully will have their own idea's, but wciii.net will be more unified if all the members have or develop a "wcii.net'ness'" in them (they're experienced in being on this forum for a while) like members of a religious group all believe in the same general thing, or are alike in lifestyle or actions or even character (and those 3 things are developed by 'being' there or 'being' on the forum for a while)

hope that makes sense. O_o

EDIT: hehe yeah some forums have flame sections. its hilarious to pop in there occassionally. xD|||Just curious too, where do I stand?|||I haven't observed all that much of your behavior. You seem just sort of "meh" to me.|||Quote:




If you're referring to the recent incident in the FFF, those were FFF and RPGF regulars getting on PD and FFL's cases.




Its been said enough in the OTF (e.g. the other quote I mentioned), but anyway, corrected to "so the dear kind otf/fff/rpgf posters might stop looking down on the people in the strats forums kthx" ;o




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I'm assuming you read my post in PD's thread. You should understand then that I treated you guys equally until yesterday, when PD crossed the line.




Exactly. PD crossed the line. Not us. So there's no reason not to treat the rest of us equaly. (its ok now of course, but imo its much worse to obviously look down on peole than if you flame them in a careless fashion with the kinds of words which are ****ed, like varulf and you too did in that thread.)




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You know, you could try doing what I do. For noobs asking "stupid" questions, just post a link to a thread or site that answers it. It doesn't take much time, it's nice, and you're not going to save time or energy by flaming them.




http://war3forum.worldofwar.net/showthread.php?t=33834

try telling the guy a bit further down the link to his answer like twisted did -.- Yeah, i do get you though, but well, I think Im one of those who answers their questions most of the time. too lazy to post links ~.~




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Many people don't play online, but still play LAN with friends and might visit strategy sites. It's entirely feasible. War3 channel memes are in general rather idiotic, and few people who aren't IRC junkies and haven't played on battle.net will be able to understand many of them




even if they do, most of the time its 1-2 abbreviations per post (unless the post is spam but then who cares as its... yeah spam ~~) Normally, its obvious what they mean and if it isnt, as i said, theres a sticky on the subject.




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I wouldn't ban all of you.




but you did put us all in the same category, the stupid strat guys who only talk crap (yes i know you didnt actually write it like that, but when "intelligent" is obviously irronic etc... you get my point).




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I banned... three people in the last months.




with "at the moment" i meant the last week and the strat forum peoples' posts, which were 3 people and 3? threads in a week, as opposed to none? before (not quite sure about the figures but who cares).




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Now, if you want to say that closing two flame threads and then the two threads in FFF was a mistake, feel free to contact me privately and argue in favor of me leaving PD's thread the way it was.




I would just have left FFLs thread the way it was, then people could have said their opinion there without starting a new thread, and PD wouldnt have gotten so angry (he would still have flamed probably but yeah~~). You could have then tempa-banned ffl or something. OK, its easy for me to say this afterwards, but the problem with closing threads is that people who still had something to say, which might be sensible, CANT without starting a new thread.




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The obvious solution is to impose yourselves on the OTF in as non-inflammatory a manner as possible, and keep smiling at them as they are displeased with you. After a short period of time, you'll be accepted, and everything'll be good. And that's correct usage.




EXACTLY. And thats just what the guys who are new to the strats forums should do too, even if they too get minor flames. And it certainly isnt impossible, Im still quite new, got flamed a lot at the start, but by now im more or less accepted (i hope )




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Note that that reaction is that of an immature person who can't present a clear argument in the correct environment. The FFF has its "Central Thread" where he could have addressed the problem. We've already concluded that PD doesn't belong on this site; his actions are not examples people should follow.




Although i wouldnt have perma-banned him, i can understand it if you do and wasnt arguing that. I meant opening a new thread on the whole, not the contents.




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Whadda good idea! Shortly after this posting, expect Central Threads in both.




w00t thx, hope itll help :/




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The thing with people who become attached to something is that rather than leave it they'd fight for it.




I didnt stay because I wanted to fight ffl/pd, but simply because i didnt mind them. And as i said, i know that its the same for some.




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HOLY CRAP ORDER!




I dont mind order, but when the order >>> the fun, theres no point in posting anymore. Im not saying it is/was like this with you, its more that im trying to take precautions that it wont be :/




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Would that have fit in the 10,000 word post limit?




Add your post and one of ChoGals and it probably wouldnt :D




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Not at all, I respect you more than anyone else in the "intelligent posters" because you actually presented a solid argument with better english than most posts I see these days and you said some good things. I'll put up those OT threads soon, and in the future I expect to not see spam/flames outside of them. I hope you can at least be agreeable to that ;)




Yay. :) And Im not even English xD



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Overall: Im more content :) Although i still dont actually agree with you on everything, I at least get you on the important stuff >_>

And as i dont really have much time i probably wont respond in this form again if you, in turn, quote all my ****. but i think all the important stuff has been cleared up anyway so hell. gj or rather, good job ;D|||ban me pls flak. ur a f.a.g and i hate you. i want you to ban me and gimme permanent ban and also ban any screennames i try to come back on. thx. f.a.g go f.uck a goat. anyone who stays on these forums is a r.etard, LSB just aim chat + channel chat with ffl and me, these forums are r.etarded now. bye n.iggers|||I don't know whether to laugh or bash my head in with a Dell laptop.

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ban me pls flak. ur a f.a.g and i hate you. i want you to ban me and gimme permanent ban and also ban any screennames i try to come back on. thx. f.a.g go f.uck a goat. anyone who stays on these forums is a r.etard, LSB just aim chat + channel chat with ffl and me, these forums are r.etarded now. bye n.iggers




haha thats good, thats good

back to the main subject, i feel that u mods hav done excellent work to maintain these forums. couldnt agree with u more at banning pantherden and ffl. i also feel that some of our members have caused the newbie population to drop with aggressive behaviour, and i think we should stop that. i mean, we were newbies before and thanks to some people we stayed in this forum. saying that "noobs" are just stupid 1. is not going to help anything 2. is extremely aggressive and "unpro" (ignorance, inflated ego whatever)

u get my drift?





g.a.y people scare me btw.

and an idiot i shall be: where do i stand? i just wanted to know if i hav done things wrong or flamed people or whatever, or do i post stupidly and blurt crap out sometimes? am i on the verge of crashing into the block of ice?

one last thing: can we take off the censoring? i know it sounds supid and stuff, but they do it for the wcreplays.com forums. well, what language is complete without swearing? i mean most of us swear becuase there is a need to swear, for exclamation, anger (against NEs mostly) and shock. well i do know that some people will abuse and use the uncensoring as a flaming tool, but then whats the differnece? its all starred if u swear (even the "less rude" though insulting or alienating words like *** and ******** and ******* and **(LOL)). how bout we hav a test period (say, 1 month) where the censoring is taken off?

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u get my drift?




We're on the same wave length, I believe.


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g.a.y people scare me btw.




Not sure what the relevence of this is, but if you're just saying that you're a homophobe out of any context I find that somewhat odd.


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and an idiot i shall be: where do i stand? i just wanted to know if i hav done things wrong or flamed people or whatever, or do i post stupidly and blurt crap out sometimes? am i on the verge of crashing into the block of ice?




Like I've said to others, I don't keep tabs on everyone. The fact that I don't pay attention to you should be assurance enough. The intelligence reflected in your posts is not stellar, but your posting manner is fairly smart, and I can't expect too much from the internet. Also there are people from other countries with English as a second language, etc. etc. I don't ban someone because they break a grammar rule. :)


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one last thing: can we take off the censoring?




I don't see the synoyms of homosexual, challenged, etc. as bad words, and would be for taking the censorship off if we lived in a different world. As it is, people do use those words negatively far more than I find possible. That being said, were it my decision, I would keep the filter on. However it is not. If you wish to speak with the admin about it, feel free.|||Why ON EARTH is saturndrew banned oO? He was one of the nicest guys around here while he was still active... I only just saw that he's banned in todie's replay thread. |||I had no hand in that *innocent smile*|||Sorry Flak, you closed the topic before I could finish my thoughts.


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And the fact that people see him as wise is what causes the truly wise to slam their heads into things. Look, the point of this site is not to throw around insults, troll fodder, or lame off-topic remarks. If you don't like that, don't post here! If you don't mind, please respect that! It's simple! *lightbulb*






I can see where you're coming from as far as insults and such. I can really see why we could possibly want to cut down on that to increase the new poster population. I start to take offense when you tell me what I can talk about. First of all, "lame" in the quote above is based on your viewpoint, and if you expect me/anyone else to post so that your personal preferences will be satisfied, you should not be moderating. Second of all, "off-topic", although a bit more acceptable than the term "lame", is still somewhat annoying. Adhering strictly to the topic at all times is, quite honestly, more boring than having quirky interjections from time to time. If it goes too far, then the person who started the topic will repose his or her question if it was not answered originally, and the topic will usually revert back on its old course before the people got a little off-topic without need for moderator direction. So basically, it feels like you're breathing down my neck, and a little more distance would be appreciated. If I'm not mistaken, there is an "ignore" feature on these forums, and if any member feels that another goes off topic too often and cannot bear it, he can take the five seconds required to ignore list that user. Let the forum serve the people who use it, not the other way around. Thanks.|||For the record, lame was an adjective describing off-topic. Being off-topic is lame.

I'm not going to reply to the rest of your post piece-by-piece because it was incredibly mule-headed. If you take offense at order and rules, you can kindly leave. This is a private forum run on cash out of the pockets of the admin. How would you feel if people misused your site?

The site won't be changed to suit the needs of a single person, or even a group of persons. You come here, you agree to the TOS, you agree to follow the rules and guidelines and accept the decisions of the staff.

Serve the people?

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For the record, lame was an adjective describing off-topic. Being off-topic is lame.

I'm not going to reply to the rest of your post piece-by-piece because it was incredibly mule-headed. If you take offense at order and rules, you can kindly leave. This is a private forum run on cash out of the pockets of the admin. How would you feel if people misused your site?

The site won't be changed to suit the needs of a single person, or even a group of persons. You come here, you agree to the TOS, you agree to follow the rules and guidelines and accept the decisions of the staff.

Serve the people?

Hah.






In my view, you have just broken your own rule about insults and completely misrepresented me when I tried to bring up a concern. I understand and agree that the rules need to be enforced, and I believe that you are capable of doing it more tactfully. I know that chaos follows rule-changing for individual cases, but I was only asking you personally to lighten up just a bit. Personally, I do not see a reason that every post must be completely and religiously on topic, perhaps you can explain to me why they must be if you feel they should. If you do not feel they should, then it would have been more tactful to include that in your last response. I don't think it's too much to ask to be able to post freely so long as the posts aren't in flagrant opposition to the rules.|||I do not believe every post necessarily has to focus on the topic (otherwise I would not have replied to your second to last, and would have deleted it instead...) It wasn't "one post"; the thread had been in effect hijacked. There were four or five on-topic posts in a thread that was reaching two pages (and a hefty amount of conflict, too.) If you look around more, you'll realize that there are a crapload of off-topic posts on this site. Do I lock every thread and ban every user? ...no.

As for breaking my own rule, if I say that, say, stealing is bad, am I insulting something? Calling off-topic posting lame has no bad implications on any single person. As for "mule-headed", you were being stubborn, and you continue to be. It's not an insult, it's a fact. Some of the things you're saying and repeating have no business being said here, and even after I attempt to make this clear you keep on.

Want me to lighten up? If I can see the strat+replay sections operating more smoothly in a week, I probably will. This is made of many factors: less spam, no flames, nothing needing mod action addressing it. Our views on these things differ, but if you really want "off-topicness" to be alright head on over to the OTF...?

Anyway, I'm not going to continue this right now because I have to run out the door for the car to LA, and I won't be back for a week. Have happy holidays and do whatever you wish to the site. When I come back I'll judge how well the place did with nothing but actions I took previously. Needless to say, if some idiot breaks the place down by spamming everywhere, I won't be too pleased !

(...and I'm not implying you there. -_-)

(DP: Yes he was)

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